(begin) ABC News medical expert clashes with 'View' host about miscarriages: 'Definitely not a baby' at two months: Sunny Hostin challenged guest: 'Some women feel' they're already carrying a baby when pregnant – by Gabriel Hays Fox News March 1, 2024
"The View" co-host Sunny Hostin sparred with ABC News medical correspondent Dr. Jennifer Ashton over whether women miscarry babies or mere clumps of cells. Disputing the court’s ruling during the episode of the daytime talk show, Ashton described the embryo transferred to the mother’s uterus during IVF as a "ball of about 200 cells," adamant that it’s not yet a baby.
She said, "If you look at science, however, science and medicine, what is transferred during that IVF procedure is called a blastocyst. That’s a big word for a ball of about 200 cells. When it is transferred into the uterus, there is no guarantee that those cells will continue to divide. There is no guarantee that that cell ball will attach to the wall of the uterus. There is no guarantee that it will implant, and there is no guarantee that a heartbeat will develop."
Hostin, who often reminds viewers she is personally pro-life and said she felt the embryos she used in her own IVF treatment were her children, began to dispute Ashton. Following up on the doctor’s last point, she said, "Does not equate to a live birth, but an embryo is not necessarily gonna become a puppy, right? An embryo’s going to be–"
The medical correspondent cut her off, saying, "No, not going to be. That’s the point."
Hostin persisted, adding, "No, no, if it’s implanted and if it continues to grow…"
"Nope, but that’s a lot of ifs. There are many steps," the doctor continued.
Hostin continued, asking, "Does it become a child?" to which the Ashton replied, "If, if, if, if, if, if. And there are many, many steps along that process… Every person is absolutely within their right to say, ‘When I first conceive of having a child mentally in my mind,’ that’s the moment — I respect that. That’s their opinion," Ashton said. She added, "But in medicine and science, that ball of cells is not guaranteed for any of the steps that follow."
Not done, Hostin brought up another scenario, saying, "But the other thing is, let’s say you have a miscarriage at two months. Have you miscarried just a bunch of cells or a baby?"
Ashton said, "It’s definitely not a baby. That’s an incorrect term and it’s also not a fetus. "
"But some women feel that way," Hostin said.
"That’s where we have to distinguish between medicine and facts and science and what you or you or any patient, any woman, any couple believes. And we can’t try to make them the same thing," Ashton replied.
According to the Mayo Clinic, most miscarriages occur in the first trimester, or 13 weeks, of pregnancy, and about 10-to-20 percent of known pregnancies end in miscarriage, although that number could be even higher. Many miscarriages occur before women even know they're pregnant. (end)
The preceding exchange appears to support the argument that blastocysts (called embryos) are not babies. However, Father Healey in a recent Pastor’s Pen targeted the real and important issue. He wrote:
If in the early years of our marriage my wife and I decided to use IVF, I would have found it morally wrong and unconscionable to sacrifice our "unused" fertilized eggs for the survival of one to be implanted in my wife in hopes of it developing into our baby. Who would those other blastocysts have become? Having them being taken to be used in scientific experiments would prey on my mind. Having them destroyed leaves me sickened. Not giving those microscopic blastocysts a chance to further develop through implantation would make me incredibly saddened. Having them implanted in another couple without my permission would make me incensed.
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